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pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 29 Aug 2008 17:11 GMT http://webpages.charter.net/cadcamslave/
Greg Mossman - 29 Aug 2008 17:38 GMT On Aug 29, 9:11 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://webpages.charter.net/cadcamslave/ "How many are so in need of having their ego stroked, so desperate to be the center of attention they would post them?"
Heck, these aren't even on-topic. I mean flowers are pretty and all, but don't you have any underwater pictures?
Still, if we're sharing off-topic pics, here's mine so far of my last trip, though I'm still in the process of culling them and the final total will probably double:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos/Alaska
More Bonaire pics to come in a couple of week. I bet you can't wait.
Joe - 29 Aug 2008 19:13 GMT > On Aug 29, 9:11 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: >> http://webpages.charter.net/cadcamslave/ [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > More Bonaire pics to come in a couple of week. I bet you can't wait. greg, have a nice trip
hope gustav doesn't make a 90 degree turn
Greg Mossman - 29 Aug 2008 20:32 GMT > > On Aug 29, 9:11 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: > >>http://webpages.charter.net/cadcamslave/ [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > hope gustav doesn't make a 90 degree turn Thanks, Joe. It's not likely Gustav will get me. It'll be done blowing well before I have to fly through Houston. I'm more worried about what's currently brewing off Africa.
Joe - 30 Aug 2008 05:25 GMT >>> On Aug 29, 9:11 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> http://webpages.charter.net/cadcamslave/ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > blowing well before I have to fly through Houston. I'm more worried > about what's currently brewing off Africa. brewing usually implies beer!
Greg Mossman - 30 Aug 2008 06:53 GMT > >>> On Aug 29, 9:11 am, pugetsounddi...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>http://webpages.charter.net/cadcamslave/ [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > brewing usually implies beer! But I don't worry about beer brewing, unless there isn't any already brewed. I doubt I'll have problems with insufficient brewing on Bonaire. They get Amstel Bright from Curacao, Polar from Aruba, Heineken and Amstel from the mother country, and hopefully a selection of Belgian brews as well. The Dutch would rather lose the reefs than lose their beer and they're very protective of the reefs.
Of course, as the unbigoted equal opportunist that I am, I shall drink wine too (Argentinean Malbec with Argentinean beef, Chilean Sauvignon Blanc with wahoo), and probably tequila and rum and who knows what else mixed into tropical libations. My liver has been recuperating for the past 27 days, so I'm in sore need of it all and a lot of it.
Al Wells - 30 Aug 2008 13:38 GMT In article <9ebaa32d-1302-4e48-a714-149a0422ad53 @w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, mossman@qnet.com says...
> But I don't worry about beer brewing, unless there isn't any already > brewed. I doubt I'll have problems with insufficient brewing on > Bonaire. They get Amstel Bright from Curacao, Polar from Aruba, > Heineken and Amstel from the mother country, and hopefully a selection > of Belgian brews as well. The Dutch would rather lose the reefs than > lose their beer and they're very protective of the reefs. I can't imagine Beligians putting their fine ale in those itty bitty bottles they use on Bonaire.
-hh - 30 Aug 2008 14:13 GMT > Greg moss...@qnet.com says... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't imagine Beligians putting their fine ale in those itty bitty > bottles they use on Bonaire. There's also a lot of fine stuff that doesn't get exported...its the Dutch with their marketing machine, so while Greg's trying to enjoy his "Amstel Diet" in a can, here's a true Belgian alternative that's going on next weekend:
<http://www.weekenddelabiere.be/en/pages/bierkaart.htm>
If you limit yourself to just the ones on tap (draft), there's 165 to get through in a weekend (~7 per hour). Margaret's going to be helping this year :-)
-hh
Al Wells - 30 Aug 2008 14:41 GMT In article <4ab750bd-b539-49a4-8996- 15d1a46474dd@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> There's also a lot of fine stuff that doesn't get exported...its the > Dutch with their marketing machine, so while Greg's trying to enjoy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > get through in a weekend (~7 per hour). > Margaret's going to be helping this year :-) That is beer heaven, way better than 72 virgins. You probably also don't have to worry about thieving Belgians stealing your sunglasses and T shirt.
Greg Mossman - 30 Aug 2008 14:52 GMT > That is beer heaven, way better than 72 virgins. You probably also don't > have to worry about thieving Belgians stealing your sunglasses and T > shirt. I'd have to sell those to afford it anyway, with the Euro so expensive nowadays. At least Bonaire's currency is still dollar-pegged, so I can afford those itty-bitty bottles.
Besides, if it's better than 72 virgins, what's to stop the terrorists from showing up and blowing up the place? After all, terrorists like beer too.
-hh - 30 Aug 2008 22:26 GMT Al Wells <al.we...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That is beer heaven, way better than 72 virgins. You probably also don't > > have to worry about thieving Belgians stealing your sunglasses and T [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > nowadays. At least Bonaire's currency is still dollar-pegged, so I > can afford those itty-bitty bottles. The beer card works out to close to an average of 3 Euros each, which is roughly $4.50 at current exchange. When you get back, you can report what the current bar prices are in Bonaire.
> Besides, if it's better than 72 virgins, what's to stop the terrorists > from showing up and blowing up the place? After all, terrorists like > beer too. They also like kabooming tropical dive resorts...eg, Sharm el-Sheikh, Dahab...
-hh
Greg Mossman - 30 Aug 2008 22:51 GMT > Al Wells <al.we...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is roughly $4.50 at current exchange. When you get back, you can > report what the current bar prices are in Bonaire. Yup. First I have to find a bar serving the good stuff.
Last time I went by this place, there wasn't an empty chair to be found. We'll going to try it for sure this trip, arriving early to beat the crowds:
http://www.littlehavanabonaire.com/links.html
The owner of Lion's Den Restauant at Buddy Dive recently opened a second restaurant at Den Laman, right where I happen to be staying. Lion's Den serves Old Speckled Hen, which isn't Belgian or Dutch. I'll be sure to find out what he's serving at his new place, called "Sunset Bar & Grill".
BTW, here's the Lion's Den beer menu, with prices in both currencies, dollars listed second. $8 for a pint. How much beer do you get for your $4.50?
Old Speckled Hen A fine balanced, delicious and smooth English Pale Ale 1pint 14,00 8,00 Strong Bow A refreshing English cider 33d 12,25 7,00 Guiness Draught An award winning Dublin brew withit's widget 33d 9,00 5,15 Heineken pilsner Hollands most popular lager 8oz 6,00 3,45 Budweiser and Bud Light Beechwood aged to give a smooth taste 7,50 4,30 Amstel Bright Dutch Caribbean version of Corona served with a lime wedge 6,00 3,45 Corona The original mexican beer 7,50 4,30 Murphy's irish Red 7,50 4,30 Polar Venezuelan Pilsner 6,00 3,45
> > Besides, if it's better than 72 virgins, what's to stop the terrorists > > from showing up and blowing up the place? After all, terrorists like > > beer too. > > They also like kabooming tropical dive resorts...eg, Sharm el-Sheikh, > Dahab... Bonaire's in a different corner of the world and it lacks the dense concentrations of people that might attract terrorists, but I'll be sure to look over my shoulder now that you got me paranoid. Even the donkeys could be trained assassins, and it's certainly no coincidence that flamingoes are so pink.
-hh - 31 Aug 2008 02:15 GMT > Last time I went by this place, there wasn't an empty chair to be > found. We'll going to try it for sure this trip, arriving early to > beat the crowds: > > http://www.littlehavanabonaire.com/links.html I'll have to keep it in mind. Let me know if 'Swiss Chalet' is still around.
> The owner of Lion's Den Restauant at Buddy Dive recently opened a > second restaurant at Den Laman, right where I happen to be staying. > Lion's Den serves Old Speckled Hen, which isn't Belgian or Dutch. > BTW, here's the Lion's Den beer menu, with prices in both currencies, > dollars listed second. $8 for a pint. How much beer do you get for > your $4.50? Generally a pint, if you normalize by alcoholic content. The Belgians have a lot of 9% and 12% concentration double- and triple- fermented concoctions.
> Old Speckled Hen > A fine balanced, delicious and > smooth English Pale Ale 1pint 14,00 8,00 Its actually a bitter, invented in the 1970s for the MG sports car. Slightly better than 'Billy Beer'.
> Strong Bow > A refreshing English cider 33d 12,25 7,00 Respectable. Better on tap.
> Guiness Draught > An award winning Dublin brew > withit's widget 33d 9,00 5,15 Bottle, not tap. Pass.
> Heineken pilsner > Hollands most popular lager 8oz 6,00 3,45 Dutch 'Bud'.
> Budweiser and Bud Light > Beechwood aged to give a smooth taste 7,50 4,30 Beechwood chips added to try to cover up the rice.
> Amstel Bright > Dutch Caribbean version of Corona > served with a lime wedge 6,00 3,45 Citrus = to hide cheap beer.
> Corona > The original mexican beer 7,50 4,30 Mexican Bud.
> Murphy's > irish Red 7,50 4,30 Dutch copy; doesn't deliver on its look.
> Polar > Venezuelan Pilsner 6,00 3,45 An honest local.
> Bonaire's in a different corner of the world and it lacks the dense > concentrations of people that might attract terrorists, but I'll be > sure to look over my shoulder now that you got me paranoid. Even the > donkeys could be trained assassins, and it's certainly no coincidence > that flamingoes are so pink. Keep an eye out for submarines.
-hh
Greg Mossman - 31 Aug 2008 17:55 GMT > I'll have to keep it in mind. Let me know if 'Swiss Chalet' is still > around. Apparently they closed last March. No rosti for me.
> Generally a pint, if you normalize by alcoholic content. The Belgians > have a lot of 9% and 12% concentration double- and triple- fermented > concoctions. Why normalize? A lot of those stronger concotions are also served in large bottles, sometimes as big as a wine bottle. I just figured the Dutch drink 'em by the six-pack to make up for the days when they're not getting stoned.
> Keep an eye out for submarines. I'm hoping more for spotted eagle ray activity, but I'll take a submarine if one comes in range of my wide-angle. Lots of rays have been spotted in the southern sites and they should be easy to dive as the latest reports shows slack winds.
-hh - 31 Aug 2008 23:00 GMT > > Let me know if 'Swiss Chalet' is still around. > > Apparently they closed last March. No rosti for me. Dang. I'll have to go back to Bern.
> > Generally a pint, if you normalize by alcoholic content. The Belgians > > have a lot of 9% and 12% concentration double- and triple- fermented > > concoctions. > > Why normalize? Its a quality-vs-quantity paradigm. Why pay $6 for water? :-)
> > Keep an eye out for submarines. > > I'm hoping more for spotted eagle ray activity, but I'll take a > submarine if one comes in range of my wide-angle. Lots of rays have > been spotted in the southern sites and they should be easy to dive as > the latest reports shows slack winds. I was actually thinking more of the drug-runners.
-hh
Greg Mossman - 01 Sep 2008 00:10 GMT > > Why normalize? > > Its a quality-vs-quantity paradigm. Why pay $6 for water? :-) On Bonaire they make a big deal about drinking tap water instead of bottled to save on the landfill. Then the restaurants will charge you for water, just like in Europe. Might as well drink beer.
> > > Keep an eye out for submarines. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I was actually thinking more of the drug-runners. Ah! If I catch one, do I get a 10% finder's fee?
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 01 Sep 2008 04:28 GMT > > > Why normalize? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bottled to save on the landfill. Then the restaurants will charge you > for water, just like in Europe. Might as well drink beer. That's new. I don't recall ever being charged for water in Bonaire. Regardless, the bottled water here in the states is causing a problem with the landfills. The thing I can't figure out is why some people buy bottled water. It isn't regulated. I could start a business called "Harry's Sparkling Well Water" and fill bottles from my garden hose to sell. It could be polluted or not. Buyer beware except that with bottled water there is no definitive information about where the water comes from and how often it's tested.
> > > > Keep an eye out for submarines. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ah! If I catch one, do I get a 10% finder's fee? Greg Mossman - 01 Sep 2008 04:40 GMT On Aug 31, 8:28 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote:
> That's new. I don't recall ever being charged for water in Bonaire. I don't recall either, but I read about someone being charged for water at Cactus Blue. Apparently they charge you for water if that's all you drink. I drink a lot more than water, so I never get charged.
hierophantfish@hotmail.com - 01 Sep 2008 04:43 GMT > On Aug 31, 8:28 pm, hierophantf...@hotmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > water at Cactus Blue. Apparently they charge you for water if that's > all you drink. I drink a lot more than water, so I never get charged. HA! That's why I never got charged for water either. :-) Hey, you ever try a beer called Blue Moon? You might like it.
Joerg Hahn - 01 Sep 2008 08:46 GMT >>If you limit yourself to just the ones on tap (draft), there's 165 to >>get through in a weekend (~7 per hour). >>Margaret's going to be helping this year :-) > > That is beer heaven, way better than 72 virgins. You probably also don't I prefer Leffe and Rodenbach.
> have to worry about thieving Belgians stealing your sunglasses and T > shirt. Won`t happen in the flamish part. No need to use prejudice.
Joerg
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Al Wells - 02 Sep 2008 12:43 GMT > > have to worry about thieving Belgians stealing your sunglasses and T > > shirt. > > Won`t happen in the flamish part. No need to use prejudice. Petty theft of these things is common on Bonaire. I was saying that Hugh won't have to worry about that in Belgium. I was implying that Belgians don't steal like some Bonairians do. I guess it gets lost in translation.
al
-hh - 04 Sep 2008 16:57 GMT > I prefer Leffe and Rodenbach. Wife likes Leffe Brune; she was also was surprised by the Kasteele (sic) 11%. Ten new varieties down so far & the festival doesn't even start until tomorrow.
> > have to worry about thieving Belgians stealing > > your sunglasses and T shirt. > > Won`t happen in the flamish part. No need to use prejudice. Greg's not using prejudice...its just that his humor is brewed California-Lawyer style (which is to say weak and unrefined), and which is why Brugge Zot was at least named after Greg ;-)
-hh
Greg Mossman - 04 Sep 2008 17:27 GMT > > I prefer Leffe and Rodenbach. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > California-Lawyer style (which is to say weak and unrefined), and > which is why Brugge Zot was at least named after Greg ;-) Please get your attributions right. That's Al quoted above, not Greg. Greg would be more worried about thieving Belgians stealing his beer.
pugetsounddiver@gmail.com - 04 Sep 2008 16:56 GMT > "How many are so in need of having their ego stroked, so desperate to > be the center of attention they would post them?" http://www.customrebreathers.com/Radial.pdf
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