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Scuba Forum / General / September 2008Dear Douggy
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html Oops? Janusz > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html > > Oops? > > Janusz From the report it sounds like they committed a criminal act and will be punished. John > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > From the report it sounds like they committed a criminal act and will > be punished. Not so easy. It's not a petty criminal act it's a war crime, committed by the members of the same unit which was involved in so called Beauchamp Affair. I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime as some of international treaties are not self-executing etc. and BTW the accused soldiers are innocent because they are heroes as they did the right thing etc. etc. Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > by the members of the same unit which was involved in so called > Beauchamp Affair. It is easy though not pleasant to deal with criminal behavior, we may understand why something happened but that doesn't mitigate an appropriate response after the fact > I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Janusz I disagree I would bet anyone who has served would find such behavior repugnant. But we should let folks who have access to the facts and knowledge of law make the final determination. It is also poor taste to imply that all servicemen & women behave badly or are criminals based on the acts of the minority. John >>> From the report it sounds like they committed a criminal act and will >>> be punished. >> Not so easy. It's not a petty criminal act it's a war crime, committed >> by the members of the same unit which was involved in so called >> Beauchamp Affair. I don't see a lot of difference. From what we know so far, it's a crime. Who cares whether it's a "war crime" or "murder." That act is the same, as is the potential sentence. >> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what >> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime >> as some of international treaties are not self-executing etc. and BTW >> the accused soldiers are innocent because they are heroes as they did >> the right thing etc. etc. Someone may or may not find reasons why the acts were justified. If so, it won't be us, or you. The difference between you and us is that you've already convicted and sentenced them in your own mind while we are waiting for the process and the evidence to come to a conclusion. I can find a reason why they are innocent right now. Our law says that anybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. As far as I know, they have not yet been proven guilty. It may come as a surprise to you, but there are very few people in this world that are more firmly behind the concept of sure and just punishment for a crime. Our most common words on the subject go something like "punish the guilty rather than limiting the innocent." We understand your world works differently. We feel sorry for you that it does. We were kind of hoping, beyond hope, that you'd realize that difference and begin the process of changing your world . . . like we did ours. Lee > I can find a reason why they are innocent right now. Our law says that > anybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. As far as I know, they > have not yet been proven guilty. Tell that to all the people sitting in cells in Guantanamo. > It may come as a surprise to you, but there are very few people in this > world that are more firmly behind the concept of sure and just punishment [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hoping, beyond hope, that you'd realize that difference and begin the > process of changing your world . . . like we did ours. You do realize your statements only apply to the pre-Bush era, don't you? > > I can find a reason why they are innocent right now. Our law says that > > anybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. As far as I know, they [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You do realize your statements only apply to the pre-Bush era, don't > you? They have no clue what the Bush administration did to destroy our rights. > >>> From the report it sounds like they committed a criminal act and will > >>> be punished. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I don't see a lot of difference. It's not my fault. Maybe you need some reading? > From what we know so far, it's a crime. > Who cares whether it's a "war crime" or "murder." I care, the Iraqis care, many people worldwide care. > That act is the same, as > is the potential sentence. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. > >> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > >> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > already convicted and sentenced them in your own mind while we are waiting > for the process and the evidence to come to a conclusion. Congratulations Lee, you're very skilled mind reader. I especially like that part -"already convicted and sentenced" maybe you can tell us what was the sentence. > I can find a reason why they are innocent right now. Our law says that > anybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. As far as I know, they > have not yet been proven guilty. Maybe you need to read the whole article - you missed the fact that three of four killers confessed to be guilty. > It may come as a surprise to you, but there are very few people in this > world that are more firmly behind the concept of sure and just punishment > for a crime. Do you mean your country leadership? As a reminder - article 98 "agreements", Guantanamo > Our most common words on the subject go something like "punish > the guilty rather than limiting the innocent." True words, especially in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib > We understand your world > works differently. We feel sorry for you that it does. Sure it works differently. For example when I say something it's my words, not "our words". My world is also much less hypocritical and idiots rather find their place in mental institution not in government service. > We were kind of > hoping, beyond hope, that you'd realize that difference and begin the > process of changing your world . . . like we did ours. ROTFL maybe you need to move your a.s and check how the real world looks like. Regarding changes in your own world I can only say - continue and I'll have the pleasure to say to you - welcome to the stone age. Janusz >>>> From the report it sounds like they committed a criminal act and will >>>> be punished. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > kind of hoping, beyond hope, that you'd realize that difference and begin > the process of changing your world . . . like we did ours. all of them, no the whole platoon no maybe the whole company should be arrested sent to another country and tortured, brought back into American control water boarded until they will admit to anything and than locked up outside the American legal system even though America has legal responsibility for them. Afterwards they could be tried outside the American legal system in some crazy, dare I say it , kangaroo court. Sentenced to what ever and everything will be OK. OK if it is true this is an isolated incident and not reflective on America as a whole but it will be interested how it is handled > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It is easy though not pleasant to deal with criminal behavior OMG - clearly you don't have any experience with law enforcement. Usually it's quite opposite. > we may understand why something happened but that doesn't mitigate an > appropriate response after the fact. and according to you what should be the appropriate response > > I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > > happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I disagree I would bet anyone who has served would find such behavior > repugnant. You must be kidding. Four killers, four other soldiers accused of murder conspiracy, some others pathological behavior described by Beauchamp and it was only one company - it seems that it wasn't repugnant for them. You can also ask some of rec.scuba resident idiots who claim that they "served" if it is repugnant for them. So far they called to kill as many "towelheads" as possible. Some even called to nuke the whole area. > But we should let folks who have access to the facts and > knowledge of law make the final determination. It seems that three of them signed statements confessing to the crime. If they say to be guilty I don't have any basis to say anything opposite. > It is also poor taste to imply that all servicemen & women behave badly > or are criminals based on the acts of the minority. Did anybody say that, especially about women? Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > OMG - clearly you don't have any experience with law enforcement. > Usually it's quite opposite. I was too brief in my statement to get my idea across, I was refering to meeting out the consequences once the investigation is complete. >> we may understand why something happened but that doesn't mitigate an >> appropriate response after the fact. > > and according to you what should be the appropriate response Depends on what they are charged with under UCMJ >>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what >>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > called to kill as many "towelheads" as possible. Some even called to > nuke the whole area. I can only base my statements on people I know that have served, if that differs from your experience so be it. Even with training soldiers can behave badly, especially when the chain of command breaks down as it appears to have in this case. >> But we should let folks who have access to the facts and >> knowledge of law make the final determination. > > It seems that three of them signed statements confessing to the crime. > If they say to be guilty I don't have any basis to say anything > opposite. But you assume that an article in NYT is all the facts.. that's jumping to a conclusion isn't it. >> It is also poor taste to imply that all servicemen & women behave badly >> or are criminals based on the acts of the minority. > > Did anybody say that, especially about women? > > Janusz I got that impression from reading your post, if that was not your intent, then I can accept that I misinterpreted what you wrote. John > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I was too brief in my statement to get my idea across, I was refering to > meeting out the consequences once the investigation is complete. The problem is that "the consequences" didn't wait until investigation is completed and meant death for many coalition soldiers, too. > >> we may understand why something happened but that doesn't mitigate an > >> appropriate response after the fact. > > > and according to you what should be the appropriate response > > Depends on what they are charged with under UCMJ That's not an answer. > >>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > >>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I can only base my statements on people I know that have served, Do you want to say that you're not sure about our Metoos service record? Me, too. > if that differs from your experience so be it. Oh Yes. It differs. > Even with training soldiers can behave badly, especially when the chain > of command breaks down as it appears to have in this case. Wonderful, you got the point. > >> But we should let folks who have access to the facts and > >> knowledge of law make the final determination. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But you assume that an article in NYT is all the facts.. Do you want to say that the article isn't not based on facts? > that's jumping > to a conclusion isn't it. > >> It is also poor taste to imply that all servicemen & women behave badly > >> or are criminals based on the acts of the minority. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I got that impression from reading your post, if that was not your > intent, then I can accept that I misinterpreted what you wrote. Clearly you did. Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> > That's not an answer. With an investigation it will be determined what laws were broken and then they can be charged appropriately. I would hope for a clear and accurate accounting of what happened and the outcome of the trials. >>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what >>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Oh Yes. It differs. What is your military experience/training? >> Even with training soldiers can behave badly, especially when the chain >> of command breaks down as it appears to have in this case. > > Wonderful, you got the point. >>>> But we should let folks who have access to the facts and >>>> knowledge of law make the final determination. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> that's jumping >> to a conclusion isn't it. I don't believe the journalist was in possession of all the relevant facts >>>> It is also poor taste to imply that all servicemen & women behave badly >>>> or are criminals based on the acts of the minority. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Janusz > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > then they can be charged appropriately. I would hope for a clear and > accurate accounting of what happened and the outcome of the trials. You are very idealistic. Unfortunately life is much more brutal and your country is not very anxious to persecute servicemen especially for such a petty crime as executing Iraqi civilians. FYI the main culprit is waiting for promotion. > >>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > >>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > What is your military experience/training? Why do you ask? > >> Even with training soldiers can behave badly, especially when the chain > >> of command breaks down as it appears to have in this case. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I don't believe the journalist was in possession of all the relevant facts It seems that they had access to the original court documents. IMHO it's enough. Janusz > >>>> It is also poor taste to imply that all servicemen & women behave badly > >>>> or are criminals based on the acts of the minority. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > for such a petty crime as executing Iraqi civilians. FYI the main > culprit is waiting for promotion. I can hope for the ideal, but I am realistic It's not a petty crime and I'll withhold judgment until the judicial system is done. >>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what >>>>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Why do you ask? Just wondering for a frame of reference >>>> Even with training soldiers can behave badly, especially when the chain >>>> of command breaks down as it appears to have in this case. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>> Clearly you did. >>> Janusz > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > It's not a petty crime and I'll withhold judgment until the judicial > system is done. That's mean a very long time or never. > >>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > >>>>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Just wondering for a frame of reference Could you be more precise? Janusz > >>>> Even with training soldiers can behave badly, especially when the chain > >>>> of command breaks down as it appears to have in this case. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >>> Clearly you did. > >>> Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > That's mean a very long time or never. Then the system failed in this case and we should look at ways to improve it, but to throw it under the bus before it has had a chance is a bit premature >>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what >>>>>>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Could you be more precise? Have you ever served in the military? If you served did you have a chance to work along side other nations military forces? If you served were you ever deployed outside of your own country? > Janusz >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>>>> Clearly you did. >>>>> Janusz > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > improve it, but to throw it under the bus before it has had a chance is > a bit premature I could have agreed with you - before 2001. Since then your country made big steps backwards regarding legal standards. Now, I'm not sure if war criminals will be persecuted according to civilized world standards. I hope you 'll enjoy reading this http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/icc/2007/1001iccblackwater.htm http://consumersforpeace.org/pdf/war_crimes_iraq_101006.pdf > >>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > >>>>>>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > military forces? > If you served were you ever deployed outside of your own country? Let's say guilty on three accounts. What about you? Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/icc/2007/1001iccblackwater.htm > http://consumersforpeace.org/pdf/war_crimes_iraq_101006.pdf The article on global policy is just a link to a blog, not sure of provenance of what is written there. second site looks to be one of those conspiracy sites whose apparent anger & outrage gets in the way of any facts they may have to present I'll look into them a bit more later if I have time >>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what >>>>>>>>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Janusz >>> Have you ever served in the military? >>> If you served did you have a chance to work along side other nations >>> military forces? >>> If you served were you ever deployed outside of your own country? >> >> Let's say guilty on three accounts. Let's not. You've denied being in the military before, you lying peice of sh.t. >>What about you? >> >> Janusz  Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com On 31 Sie, 18:18, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >>> Have you ever served in the military? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You've denied being in the military before, you lying peice of sh.t. Douggy, so far it was you caught lying. If you want I can remind you, of course proper cites will be provided. Regarding myself - if you want to say that I'm lying - cite, please or I'll have the real pleasure of exposing your idiocy, what BTW will not be difficult task for me. Janusz > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > I'll look into them a bit more later if I have time Just read and work out your own opinion. Janusz > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that our metoos can find some explanation of what > >>>>>>>>>>> happened and that it was justified and that it wasn't the war crime [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > Janusz >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] >>> Let's say guilty on three accounts. What about you? >>> Janusz Yes during my service I was airborne & ranger qualified, as well as earning itailian jump wings , and the belgain para comando badge. I served as a ranger as well as being part of recon platoon of the airborne batalion combat team (Southern European Task force). What did you do ? John >>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 120 lines] > > What did you do ? WOW and did you fly fighter jets as well and how deep do you dive. U seem to be a real mans man and are willing to tell everybody about it > "John Mason Jr" <notvalid@cox.net.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> Let's say guilty on three accounts. What about you? >>>>> Janusz [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > WOW and did you fly fighter jets as well and how deep do you dive. U seem > to be a real mans man And we know how fems like you are so offended by that. >and are willing to tell everybody about it He was asked by your buddy jAnus. Jesus, are you STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >> "John Mason Jr" <notvalid@cox.net.invalid> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > And we know how fems like you are so offended by that. why, I know fighter pilots and people who dive deep >>and are willing to tell everybody about it > > He was asked by your buddy jAnus. > > Jesus, are you STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. and I quiet yes I served in the military like Janus said would of sufficed instead of the personal glorification posted > "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>and are willing to tell everybody about it >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and I quiet yes I served in the military like Janus said would of sufficed > instead of the personal glorification posted Is that even in English? Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Is that even in English? Sorry and a quiet yes I served in the military like Janus said would of sufficed instead of the personal glorification posted happy now? do you think it is appropriate to post ones military service on the net? >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in >>>>> and are willing to tell everybody about it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > do you think it is appropriate to post ones military service on the net? What was said here is nothing more than I might say in casual conversation, so as posted yes. John >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > What was said here is nothing more than I might say in casual > conversation, so as posted yes. fair enough . whatever >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>> in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > happy now? Still doesn't mean anything without two extra posts of explanation. Try English next time: And a quiet "yes I served in the military", like Janus said, would of sufficed, instead of the personal glorification posted. The fact you consider John's brief description some sort of brag, or attempt at glorification, is only a reflection of your angst and low self esteem at not having served. And jAnus has never served either, hence his bitterness being so similar to yours. > do you think it is appropriate to post ones military service on the net? Why wouldn't it be? You brag about being a pharmacologist (which nobody believes), some sort of half-assed fireman who doesn't know CPR (which everybody believes), and lie about being a truck driver, and those are all far lesser accomplishments. Jesus, are you STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com On 2 Wrz, 20:56, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote > >>> in [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > And jAnus has never served either, hence his bitterness being so similar > to yours. and you know so much about me. Still dreaming? I asked you for some answers and very specific cite, but you're too dumb to fulfill even so simple task. What a dumb liar, but what else can be expected from a guy so short that his sh.t is mixing with his brain. > > do you think it is appropriate to post ones military service on the net? > > Why wouldn't it be? because not everybody was kicked out of service as you were > You brag about being a pharmacologist (which nobody believes), some sort > of half-assed fireman who doesn't know CPR (which everybody believes), and > lie about being a truck driver, and those are all far lesser > accomplishments. > > Jesus, are you STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. and you know the meaning of the word as you were addressed so since your early childhood. That's why you remember the word so well. > -- > -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.finalprotectivefire.com Lector????????????????????????????????? Janusz >>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>> in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > do you think it is appropriate to post ones military service on the net? Sure - much as it is appropriate to post about one's serivce as, say, a volunteer firefighter. Dennis >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Sure - much as it is appropriate to post about one's serivce as, say, a > volunteer firefighter. <snicker> Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>>> in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > <snicker> <cook> >>>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> >>>>>> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > <cook> Cook??? What are ya, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID? Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> >>>>>>> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > What are ya, STUPID, STUPID, STUPID?\\ you "served"your country >>>>>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > you "served"your country Sure thing, Ladle Boy. Jesus, are you STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. - SignaturePopeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Dennis >>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>> in [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Sure - much as it is appropriate to post about one's serivce as, say, a > volunteer firefighter. excellent point >>>>> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote >>>>> in [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> > excellent point Thanks. Dennis >>> "John Mason Jr" <notvalid@cox.net.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> Let's say guilty on three accounts. What about you? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > and I quiet yes I served in the military like Janus said would of sufficed > instead of the personal glorification posted I was trying to give a brief description of my experience, if that's glorification in your mind so be it, I thought it was relevant to the conversation. Janusz choose to take conversation offline,and I'll respect his wishes John >>>> "John Mason Jr" <notvalid@cox.net.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> Let's say guilty on three accounts. What about you? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > glorification in your mind so be it, I thought it was relevant to the > conversation. fair enough but IMHO " I served and served in an active theatre would have sufficed" But hey I'm an Aussie and a bit laid back about all that, > Janusz choose to take conversation offline,and I'll respect his wishes that is so great On 1 Wrz, 13:26, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > "John Mason Jr" <notva...@cox.net.invalid> wrote in message > >>>>> Let's say guilty on three accounts. What about you? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > He was asked by your buddy jAnus. Just like you were, but you can't answer even the simplest question, because you're too STUPID, STUPID, STUPID or just DUMB. > Jesus, are you STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > www.finalprotectivefire.com Lector?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Janusz >>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: >>>>>> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > WOW and did you fly fighter jets as well and how deep do you dive. U seem to > be a real mans man and are willing to tell everybody about it No actually just having a polite conversation did you want to add something of substance? John > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> janus...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > What did you do ? send me your valid email Janusz >>> With an investigation it will be determined what laws were broken and >>> then they can be charged appropriately. I would hope for a clear and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> for such a petty crime as executing Iraqi civilians. FYI the main >> culprit is waiting for promotion. Not to worry, jAnus. We've got people like you and STUPID Dave to do the persecuting for us. There have been several such incidents that have gone to trial. Can you name any other countries, especially victorious countries, that have brought their own troops to this type of justice, or are you just flat out stating that only American soldiers commit these types of crimes? Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com On 31 Sie, 12:15, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >>> With an investigation it will be determined what laws were broken and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > There have been several such incidents that have gone to trial. Do you want to say that war crimes committed in Iraq by Americans aren't rare incidents. > Can you name any other countries, especially victorious countries, that > have brought their own troops to this type of justice, I can say any civilized country, but as you mentioned "victorious countries" I have to remind you that if you think about your country in the context of Iraq and Afghanistan "victorious" can be used only as a joke. > or are you just flat > out stating that only American soldiers commit these types of crimes? Not only, but it seems that the habit of committing war crimes is quite popular in your country. Janusz > -- > -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.finalprotectivefire.com >> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html >> >> Oops? > > From the report it sounds like they committed a criminal act and will be > punished. jAnus has other things to worry about. His Russian masters are on the way back. Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com On 28 Sie, 11:23, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > janus...@hotmail.com wrote: > >>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/world/middleeast/27abuse.html [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > His Russian masters are on the way back. Douggy, be careful. They're in Georgia, now. It's in your own backyard, isn't it? > -- > -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.finalprotectivefire.com "Dr. Hannibal Lector" ???????????????????????????????????????????? Janusz > On 28 Sie, 11:23, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Douggy, be careful. They're in Georgia, now. It's in your own > backyard, isn't it? and probably under his bed >> On 28 Sie, 11:23, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" >> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Douggy, be careful. They're in Georgia, now. It's in your own >> backyard, isn't it? I see you're as familiar with these war crimes as last time they happened near you, and you didn't know about it. You haven't, as usual, answered my question about why, as always, your neighbors came to -us- for help instead of you. <snip STUPID, STUPID, STUPID comment> Signature-- Popeye "If one does as God does enough times, one will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector. www.finalprotectivefire.com On 31 Sie, 12:08, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote: > > <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:3af67854-1db7-4c19-a4e8-172c39867b90@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I see you're as familiar with these war crimes as last time they happened > near you, and you didn't know about it. Near me? Douggy, maybe you need to check a map or maybe you have different definition of "near"? > You haven't, as usual, answered my question about why, as always, your > neighbors came to -us- for help instead of you. You are real IDIOT. The one avoiding answers is you, not me, but what else can be expected from a idiot like you. BTW I don't recall Russians asking -you- for a help. > <snip STUPID, STUPID, STUPID comment> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > www.finalprotectivefire.com Lector????????? Janusz On Aug 31, 1:58 pm, "janus...@hotmail.com" <janus...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 31 Sie, 12:08, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick" > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Others tend to ask the USA for help because they know that we can fight. They also know that we think we have a huge bankroll to finance all these little wars. Meanwhile, our country suffers and our debt grows to astronomical proportions with this Bush government. But people like Popeye and Scott don't mind as long as they collect their welfare checks. |
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